Comments on: The Deep Bore Tunnel Isn’t a Done Deal

By: bdsm

bdsm — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:04:19 +0000

By: David

David — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:13:49 +0000

I didn’t vote for McGinn, and I’m passing on why: because in his criticism of the tunnel, which was fine on its merits, he never, in any comment I heard, said anything about what he would do for West Seattle. Oh, except that we all need to take more buses.

Singling out one neighborhood and telling us to take public transportation, while other parts of the city are getting real PT choices (light rail), sent me packing from Mike. I was ready to vote for the guy the moment he came up with good options for us, but I never heard them. We tried for the monorail (in which case I was fine with taking out the viaduct), but downtown landowners nixed that. So we’re left with a part of Seattle that’s getting cut off from the rest.

I hope Mike evaluates what’s best not only for the city as a whole, but for some of the specific neighborhoods. We have an impending sense of doom coming.

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By: David

David — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:33:30 +0000

I was going to vote for McGinn because of his environmental record, but the whole tunnel issue is making me think twice.
- Exits downtown would be nice, but not essential, especially if there are exits around Western and again south of Pioneer Square. The current viaduct only has one more than that in each direction.
- dumping 99 traffic onto surface streets is fool hardy at best. I-5 is too jammed to take any more traffic. And, while I am a big supporter of light rail, biking, and other public transportation options, how does that help me with a truck full of electronics recycling? (Oh yeah, just like the Monorail twits “let’s make 15th one lane” who forgot that Holman-15th-99 is a very major trucking route in and out of Ballard, InterBay and connects north Seattle to the SoDo and industrial area - ever note the “Alt. Trucking RoOute” signs.)
- The waterfront needs to be revamped and revitalized. It is no longer an industrial area suited to a viaduct. And, of coure, the current viaduct must go, whether we do it or the next earthquake does. It won’t take a 7.0 to drop it.
- Finally, and most importantly, the Seawall MUST be replaced, and now. It should have been replaced 20 years ago. The patchwork repairs to date are like throwing Reese pieces into pudding to make it structurally sound.

What are your solutions to the above, when will they be able to be implemented/completed, and how much will they cost?

Thank you,
David

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By: bob

bob — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:41:03 +0000

Even less supported your option. Oh wait: that wasn’t even on the ballot, so claims of public support are pure fabrication.

By: John

John — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:06:25 +0000

@alex,

My answer to that would be, because you can’t do the one without the other. *Any* solution is going to require seawall rebuild - money the State won’t provide in any case. And the tunnel solution won’t work without significant transit improvements, which (a) as Elliott says we can’t meet currently, and (b) have to be included in the tunnel’s total cost. I’d say it’s more disingenuous to pretend the tunnel “only” costs $1.9 billion, or whatever the latest 2% engineered value is.

By: Alex

Alex — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:25:17 +0000

The $4.2 billion cost for the bored tunnel you cite includes costs that I understand we will incur regardless of whether a tunnel is built; for example, costs to rebuild the seawall. Why do you cite the $4.2 billion figure then when discussing the tunnel?

By: Elliott

Elliott — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:43:28 +0000

Thanks for the comment, Tom.

As you probably know, this tunnel has no downtown exits, which was the only way the tunnel proponents could get their plan in front of the Governor. Even a single exit would dramatically increase the cost and would present an already experimental project with another massive engineering challenge.

The I5/Surface/Transit plan that Mike favors was developed last year by a consensus of various citizen representatives and approved by WSDOT–hardly a bunch of activists… He’s actually in favor of substantial improvements to I5 throughput and surface street interface that have been in the works for some time now, but would cost significantly less than an experimental tunnel project under the heart of the city. Then we’d be able to meet transit demand, something we can’t even do today.

By: Tom Sparks

Tom Sparks — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:30:23 +0000

Citizen votes on transportation issues seem to matter very little here, think Monorail.

I am for a tunnel with an exit to downtown, let the people enjoy the waterfront. Routing traffic to city streets is an activist wet dream with no basis in reality.